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		<title>By: elizabeth</title>
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		<dc:creator>elizabeth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Sep 2008 21:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>none have stopped to think that the legislation has more power than the president.....HE wouldnt be the one who determined teacher pay anyways....An up in pay would be great but a passionate teacher seeks to see children learning whether that teacher be paid or not.....what has HE said about that????  A whole lot of nothing!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>none have stopped to think that the legislation has more power than the president&#8230;..HE wouldnt be the one who determined teacher pay anyways&#8230;.An up in pay would be great but a passionate teacher seeks to see children learning whether that teacher be paid or not&#8230;..what has HE said about that????  A whole lot of nothing!!!</p>
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		<title>By: christine</title>
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		<dc:creator>christine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 01:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am all the way a REPUBPLICAN and I am only 16 but if I could vote i would vote for OBAMA!!   Obama all the way or McCain!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am all the way a REPUBPLICAN and I am only 16 but if I could vote i would vote for OBAMA!!   Obama all the way or McCain!!</p>
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		<title>By: shawntrel</title>
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		<dc:creator>shawntrel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 18:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Barack is going all the way</description>
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		<title>By: john</title>
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		<dc:creator>john</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jan 2008 04:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BARACK NOPE CLINTON YEP AS SOON AS HE LOST A STATE HE STARTED WITH THE COMMON BLACK CRY THEY WE ALL HEAR SINCE GOD KNOWS WHEN THEY RUN OUR MUSIC INDUSTRY THATS BAD ENOUGH AND THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT LISTEN TO THE CRAP IS YOUNG WHITE LITTLE GIRLS THAT HAVE NO TASTE AND DON&#039;T KNOW GOOD MUSIC IF THEY HEARD IT NOPE NOT PREJUDICE JUST SPEAKING THE TRUTH THAT 90% OF THE WORLD THINK BUT DON&#039;T SAY CAUSE IF WE  SPEAK WE GET IN SHIT FOR OUR TRUE FEELINGS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BARACK NOPE CLINTON YEP AS SOON AS HE LOST A STATE HE STARTED WITH THE COMMON BLACK CRY THEY WE ALL HEAR SINCE GOD KNOWS WHEN THEY RUN OUR MUSIC INDUSTRY THATS BAD ENOUGH AND THE ONLY PEOPLE THAT LISTEN TO THE CRAP IS YOUNG WHITE LITTLE GIRLS THAT HAVE NO TASTE AND DON&#8217;T KNOW GOOD MUSIC IF THEY HEARD IT NOPE NOT PREJUDICE JUST SPEAKING THE TRUTH THAT 90% OF THE WORLD THINK BUT DON&#8217;T SAY CAUSE IF WE  SPEAK WE GET IN SHIT FOR OUR TRUE FEELINGS</p>
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		<title>By: Improving Education - It Won&#8217;t Happen Until &#8230;.. &#8212; Open Education</title>
		<link>http://www.openeducation.net/2007/12/12/obama-our-choice-for-president-in-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-164</link>
		<dc:creator>Improving Education - It Won&#8217;t Happen Until &#8230;.. &#8212; Open Education</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 18:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] concept is one Barack Obama has discussed and it his support for the concept is one of the reasons we cast our vote for him. We believe that not only is it time to throw out an antiquated system that makes no sense it is [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] concept is one Barack Obama has discussed and it his support for the concept is one of the reasons we cast our vote for him. We believe that not only is it time to throw out an antiquated system that makes no sense it is [...]</p>
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		<title>By: melissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>melissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jan 2008 19:32:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that hillary would be better for president. Pres Bush has left a lot to fix in this country and I don&#039;t think that Obama is the right choice, he does not know what he is getting into. I think that once we undo what Bush did Obama would be great. He can go and make a big change is this world. But for now I don&#039;t think he is the right choice. In the future I think he will be wonderful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that hillary would be better for president. Pres Bush has left a lot to fix in this country and I don&#8217;t think that Obama is the right choice, he does not know what he is getting into. I think that once we undo what Bush did Obama would be great. He can go and make a big change is this world. But for now I don&#8217;t think he is the right choice. In the future I think he will be wonderful.</p>
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		<title>By: Eyck Freymann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eyck Freymann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Dec 2007 00:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As for Barack Obama being against No Child Left Behind, he is publicly calling to increase funding for it. I know this is true because I saw him say it in person in New York.

If you really want a candidate who would raise teacher pay and introduce a TRULY innovative education initiative, vote for John Edwards. He wants to raise teacher by up to $15,000 a year, and has a detailed plan to provide at least a year of college for everyone, regardless of economic circumstances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As for Barack Obama being against No Child Left Behind, he is publicly calling to increase funding for it. I know this is true because I saw him say it in person in New York.</p>
<p>If you really want a candidate who would raise teacher pay and introduce a TRULY innovative education initiative, vote for John Edwards. He wants to raise teacher by up to $15,000 a year, and has a detailed plan to provide at least a year of college for everyone, regardless of economic circumstances.</p>
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		<title>By: The Gay Species</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Gay Species</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:23:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have endorsed Obama&#039;s presidential bid for many reasons, including a perception of his commitment to America&#039;s liberal principles. In many aspects, for example, on health care, I disagree with Obama&#039;s policies and reforms entirely, favoring a Medicare-for-All approach.

In public education, again Obama is closer to my ideal than many of his competitors, but still far from ideal. Like your recommendation, I believe education must remain in the &quot;public sphere,&quot; pedagogy must be competent, salaries scalable, and &quot;innovation&quot; (or &quot;competition&quot;) a must.  Teachers must be just as accountable for their &quot;performance&quot; as the private market requires its employees.

Unfortunately, teachers&#039; unions and their monopoly of public education, coupled with recent devaluation of education by extremists, or its &quot;use&quot; for political agendas, spells an immense challenge for any &quot;reform.&quot; At this juncture, the most we can aspire is to &quot;change course.&quot;

My own view of education is that it should be exceptionally diverse and cognizant of different talents and different maturities within a structure that is still accountable for its performance -- or lack thereof. Today, the U.S. spends more per pupil for public education than any other industrialized nation, save Switzerland, yet consistently receive significantly inferior results for our &quot;investment.&quot; Where is all this &quot;money&quot; going? After-school events? No. Athletics? No. Bureaucracy? Yep.

The D.C. school district spends about $40,000 per pupil, and still has the lowest graduation, not to mention skills, for its results. Where is all this money going? Counselors. Social consciousness. Activism. Self-esteem schemes. But definitely not &quot;education.&quot; And not just &quot;academic&quot; education, but &quot;social&quot; education, like the arts, music, sport, clubs, etc. Education should include the &quot;whole person,&quot; not just his ability to answer test questions.

Then, the question of &quot;government&quot; as an &quot;interest&quot; appears, such as NCLB, the federal department of Education, and the &quot;education industry,&quot; which feeds off governments&#039; poor achievements of compulsory education. And every justification for &quot;feeding this trough&quot; is not to educate American citizens of the future, but to engineer cogs in industry. Education &quot;for its own sake&quot; is anathema.

Today, the free-market educators oppose the union monopoly educators, and neither gets the &quot;job&quot; done, because they don&#039;t understand their objectives, let alone their means. At least Obama expands the educational objectives from mere &quot;economic cog&quot; to &quot;literate citizens in a a pluralistic democracy.&quot; I&#039;m unsure of his &quot;means,&quot; but they cannot be worse than at present. At least, his &quot;openness&quot; to alternatives is encouraging.

Because he rejects capitalist education, and is willing to challenge union monopolization, he succeeds better than most of his rivals. That said, he&#039;s deliberately being &quot;coy&quot; about most of his plans in an effort to create an &quot;elan&quot; rather than an &quot;agenda.&quot; It leaves those of us who would like &quot;substance&quot; without much but gut feelings to appraise. Not what an educated class would do, but what our emotions suggest.

Ideally, the nation would establish an Education Accreditation Agency that provides nothing more than guidelines for pedagogical objectives -- with no &quot;carrots on a stick,&quot; but mandates of achievement. But as many college accrediting agencies have shown, they are capable of preposterously Low Standards. So, this National Agency must be subject to Political Scrutiny. In this respect, it would be entirely regulatory about the &quot;kind, type, and extent&quot; public education of an &quot;average U.S. citizen.&quot; Civics courses would be mandatory for more than a single semester. When 2/3rds of today&#039;s graduates cannot identify the three branches of our federal government, what justifies public education? Not all students should be expected to &quot;achieve&quot; equal competence, but certain minimum objectives in some disciplines, and tiered objectives in others, must be met.

In a word, we must refocus on Dewey&#039;s educational objectives, but allow ever new means of pedagogy. Some respond to adult lectures, others to heuristics, others to inductive challenges, others to practicals. But these various methods should not dilute the minimum objectives of an &quot;educated citizenry.&quot;

Yes, we must encourage more curiosity in the natural sciences, our education&#039;s total failure, but also in the imagination of literature and art, in creative endeavors of dance and sport, and of the immense wonders of calculus, complexity, biology, etc. We also need to &quot;educate&quot; our youth about our economic system as well as our governmental system -- not preach dogmas as my generation tried, but how mixed economies function in this world, how to open a bank account, buy a house, how the workforce is structured.

Finally, we have a requirement to teach our youth a minimum of morality and ethics in a &quot;religious-free&quot; environment. Aristotle&#039;s Ethics nor any modern morality requires a &quot;god&quot; to understand. But if our teachers our indoctrinated by their own narrow ideologies, where &quot;preaching&quot; substitutes for &quot;teaching&quot; in the classroom, don&#039;t expect a massive respect for teachers, education, or reform.

Unfortunately, education has become a &quot;special interest&quot; as opposed to a &quot;public duty,&quot; largely created by the &quot;education interests.&quot; Until that special-interest focus is eliminated, no one will be satisfied -- save unions and their members. At least Obama appears inclined not to feed the &quot;milk-and-honey types&quot; with more of their special self interest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have endorsed Obama&#8217;s presidential bid for many reasons, including a perception of his commitment to America&#8217;s liberal principles. In many aspects, for example, on health care, I disagree with Obama&#8217;s policies and reforms entirely, favoring a Medicare-for-All approach.</p>
<p>In public education, again Obama is closer to my ideal than many of his competitors, but still far from ideal. Like your recommendation, I believe education must remain in the &#8220;public sphere,&#8221; pedagogy must be competent, salaries scalable, and &#8220;innovation&#8221; (or &#8220;competition&#8221;) a must.  Teachers must be just as accountable for their &#8220;performance&#8221; as the private market requires its employees.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, teachers&#8217; unions and their monopoly of public education, coupled with recent devaluation of education by extremists, or its &#8220;use&#8221; for political agendas, spells an immense challenge for any &#8220;reform.&#8221; At this juncture, the most we can aspire is to &#8220;change course.&#8221;</p>
<p>My own view of education is that it should be exceptionally diverse and cognizant of different talents and different maturities within a structure that is still accountable for its performance &#8212; or lack thereof. Today, the U.S. spends more per pupil for public education than any other industrialized nation, save Switzerland, yet consistently receive significantly inferior results for our &#8220;investment.&#8221; Where is all this &#8220;money&#8221; going? After-school events? No. Athletics? No. Bureaucracy? Yep.</p>
<p>The D.C. school district spends about $40,000 per pupil, and still has the lowest graduation, not to mention skills, for its results. Where is all this money going? Counselors. Social consciousness. Activism. Self-esteem schemes. But definitely not &#8220;education.&#8221; And not just &#8220;academic&#8221; education, but &#8220;social&#8221; education, like the arts, music, sport, clubs, etc. Education should include the &#8220;whole person,&#8221; not just his ability to answer test questions.</p>
<p>Then, the question of &#8220;government&#8221; as an &#8220;interest&#8221; appears, such as NCLB, the federal department of Education, and the &#8220;education industry,&#8221; which feeds off governments&#8217; poor achievements of compulsory education. And every justification for &#8220;feeding this trough&#8221; is not to educate American citizens of the future, but to engineer cogs in industry. Education &#8220;for its own sake&#8221; is anathema.</p>
<p>Today, the free-market educators oppose the union monopoly educators, and neither gets the &#8220;job&#8221; done, because they don&#8217;t understand their objectives, let alone their means. At least Obama expands the educational objectives from mere &#8220;economic cog&#8221; to &#8220;literate citizens in a a pluralistic democracy.&#8221; I&#8217;m unsure of his &#8220;means,&#8221; but they cannot be worse than at present. At least, his &#8220;openness&#8221; to alternatives is encouraging.</p>
<p>Because he rejects capitalist education, and is willing to challenge union monopolization, he succeeds better than most of his rivals. That said, he&#8217;s deliberately being &#8220;coy&#8221; about most of his plans in an effort to create an &#8220;elan&#8221; rather than an &#8220;agenda.&#8221; It leaves those of us who would like &#8220;substance&#8221; without much but gut feelings to appraise. Not what an educated class would do, but what our emotions suggest.</p>
<p>Ideally, the nation would establish an Education Accreditation Agency that provides nothing more than guidelines for pedagogical objectives &#8212; with no &#8220;carrots on a stick,&#8221; but mandates of achievement. But as many college accrediting agencies have shown, they are capable of preposterously Low Standards. So, this National Agency must be subject to Political Scrutiny. In this respect, it would be entirely regulatory about the &#8220;kind, type, and extent&#8221; public education of an &#8220;average U.S. citizen.&#8221; Civics courses would be mandatory for more than a single semester. When 2/3rds of today&#8217;s graduates cannot identify the three branches of our federal government, what justifies public education? Not all students should be expected to &#8220;achieve&#8221; equal competence, but certain minimum objectives in some disciplines, and tiered objectives in others, must be met.</p>
<p>In a word, we must refocus on Dewey&#8217;s educational objectives, but allow ever new means of pedagogy. Some respond to adult lectures, others to heuristics, others to inductive challenges, others to practicals. But these various methods should not dilute the minimum objectives of an &#8220;educated citizenry.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, we must encourage more curiosity in the natural sciences, our education&#8217;s total failure, but also in the imagination of literature and art, in creative endeavors of dance and sport, and of the immense wonders of calculus, complexity, biology, etc. We also need to &#8220;educate&#8221; our youth about our economic system as well as our governmental system &#8212; not preach dogmas as my generation tried, but how mixed economies function in this world, how to open a bank account, buy a house, how the workforce is structured.</p>
<p>Finally, we have a requirement to teach our youth a minimum of morality and ethics in a &#8220;religious-free&#8221; environment. Aristotle&#8217;s Ethics nor any modern morality requires a &#8220;god&#8221; to understand. But if our teachers our indoctrinated by their own narrow ideologies, where &#8220;preaching&#8221; substitutes for &#8220;teaching&#8221; in the classroom, don&#8217;t expect a massive respect for teachers, education, or reform.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, education has become a &#8220;special interest&#8221; as opposed to a &#8220;public duty,&#8221; largely created by the &#8220;education interests.&#8221; Until that special-interest focus is eliminated, no one will be satisfied &#8212; save unions and their members. At least Obama appears inclined not to feed the &#8220;milk-and-honey types&#8221; with more of their special self interest.</p>
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