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	<title>Comments on: Several Lessons to Be Learned from the Finnish School System</title>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
		<link>http://www.openeducation.net/2008/03/10/several-lessons-to-be-learned-from-the-finnish-school-system/comment-page-1/#comment-8630</link>
		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 01:01:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doug - check the ED Code Principals can remove teachers and can do this quiet easily if they follow the steps - teachers not doing their jobs should be fired and Principals need to do their jobs.  The system might have flaws but random firing because of a Principal&#039;s personal agenda would hurt everyone. Careful what you wish for. 
I agree with the idea of starting school later, students who start later will do better for a myriad of reasons - emotional, physical, and intellectual.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doug &#8211; check the ED Code Principals can remove teachers and can do this quiet easily if they follow the steps &#8211; teachers not doing their jobs should be fired and Principals need to do their jobs.  The system might have flaws but random firing because of a Principal&#8217;s personal agenda would hurt everyone. Careful what you wish for.<br />
I agree with the idea of starting school later, students who start later will do better for a myriad of reasons &#8211; emotional, physical, and intellectual.</p>
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		<title>By: Leslie</title>
		<link>http://www.openeducation.net/2008/03/10/several-lessons-to-be-learned-from-the-finnish-school-system/comment-page-1/#comment-8629</link>
		<dc:creator>Leslie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jun 2010 00:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe it is useful to understand how the country is different but also how we are operating in a global market; therefore, comparing international education standards is important.  First Finland has worked for 35 years on improving their education, second there teachers are repsected and treated with dignity, the teacher preparation program is free and is highly competitive with only 15% of candidates accepted into the 3-year program.  They also have not watered down their curriculum and fuzzied to focus with high-stakes standardized tests.  In addtion, schools are funded equally - and in the US that does not happen.  Diversity is in all countries - check the facts people.  And for Joe -- Homeschooling in many countries is outlawed - and probably for good reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe it is useful to understand how the country is different but also how we are operating in a global market; therefore, comparing international education standards is important.  First Finland has worked for 35 years on improving their education, second there teachers are repsected and treated with dignity, the teacher preparation program is free and is highly competitive with only 15% of candidates accepted into the 3-year program.  They also have not watered down their curriculum and fuzzied to focus with high-stakes standardized tests.  In addtion, schools are funded equally &#8211; and in the US that does not happen.  Diversity is in all countries &#8211; check the facts people.  And for Joe &#8212; Homeschooling in many countries is outlawed &#8211; and probably for good reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jul 2009 16:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all there are some &quot;read between the lines&quot; racists commenting here.  I would argue that our IQ tests and our standardized tests are deliberately designed to make the WASP culture look more intelligent.  They are biased and that&#039;s that.  I think the only people who will argue this point are the WASPs.  

NCLB is not at all about the students.  It is there to intentionally try to break up the largest union in the country. The NEA.  Look at the facts.  What happens to a school that does not meet or exceed on state standardized tests(which supposedly by 2012 must be 100% of all students)?  After a couple of year of &quot;failure&quot; the Feds can come in and fire everyone and start over.  Anyone that understands tenure knows that even the administrators in a school have a difficult time letting go of a tenured teacher who slipped through the system even if they are horrible at the job.  Why? The Union will support them no matter what.  

Responsibility is also a great factor here.  Americans have become a nation of people who cannot take responsibility for their own actions.  We are all &quot;sue happy&quot;.  If someone falls down on the sidewalk in front of my house I somehow become responsible.  I didn&#039;t push them down.  They were not paying attention.  Take responsibility.  Having worked in the public school system for the last 12 years,  I have seen this lack of personal responsibility over and over again.  It is never the student or parents fault something happens.  It is always someone else s fault.  This is also why we are depriving our students of using technology in the classrooms.  We are afraid that a student might cyber bully another student and the school will be held accountable.  Why isn&#039;t the student who did the bullying held accountable?  I do not believe that European schools face this problem because they teach personal responsibility early on.  

I think it is brilliant that they don&#039;t start academics until kids are 7.  I think that a child&#039;s dislike of school comes from the fact that at 5 we are insisting that they become fluent readers.  Kindergarten is the new 1st grade in this country.  It is a researched fact that some kids will read very early while some will not fully get it until the end of second grade or early third.  In American schools by that time they are tagged and labeled as slow or learning disabled and thus &quot;left behind&quot;.  And finally, as someone above commented no education is free.  However, giving people a chance to educate themselves without going into massive debt will also increase the number of people that are actually contributing to society and paying taxes.  People are always complaining about where there tax money is going.  This is an example of how that money would be useful and in turn create more money that would help the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all there are some &#8220;read between the lines&#8221; racists commenting here.  I would argue that our IQ tests and our standardized tests are deliberately designed to make the WASP culture look more intelligent.  They are biased and that&#8217;s that.  I think the only people who will argue this point are the WASPs.  </p>
<p>NCLB is not at all about the students.  It is there to intentionally try to break up the largest union in the country. The NEA.  Look at the facts.  What happens to a school that does not meet or exceed on state standardized tests(which supposedly by 2012 must be 100% of all students)?  After a couple of year of &#8220;failure&#8221; the Feds can come in and fire everyone and start over.  Anyone that understands tenure knows that even the administrators in a school have a difficult time letting go of a tenured teacher who slipped through the system even if they are horrible at the job.  Why? The Union will support them no matter what.  </p>
<p>Responsibility is also a great factor here.  Americans have become a nation of people who cannot take responsibility for their own actions.  We are all &#8220;sue happy&#8221;.  If someone falls down on the sidewalk in front of my house I somehow become responsible.  I didn&#8217;t push them down.  They were not paying attention.  Take responsibility.  Having worked in the public school system for the last 12 years,  I have seen this lack of personal responsibility over and over again.  It is never the student or parents fault something happens.  It is always someone else s fault.  This is also why we are depriving our students of using technology in the classrooms.  We are afraid that a student might cyber bully another student and the school will be held accountable.  Why isn&#8217;t the student who did the bullying held accountable?  I do not believe that European schools face this problem because they teach personal responsibility early on.  </p>
<p>I think it is brilliant that they don&#8217;t start academics until kids are 7.  I think that a child&#8217;s dislike of school comes from the fact that at 5 we are insisting that they become fluent readers.  Kindergarten is the new 1st grade in this country.  It is a researched fact that some kids will read very early while some will not fully get it until the end of second grade or early third.  In American schools by that time they are tagged and labeled as slow or learning disabled and thus &#8220;left behind&#8221;.  And finally, as someone above commented no education is free.  However, giving people a chance to educate themselves without going into massive debt will also increase the number of people that are actually contributing to society and paying taxes.  People are always complaining about where there tax money is going.  This is an example of how that money would be useful and in turn create more money that would help the country.</p>
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		<title>By: jeanine</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeanine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Jun 2009 04:11:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;There are no classes for the gifted students and no recognition organizations for those who achieve. There is also little in the way of standardized testing.&quot;

This sounds like the reason they have free university education...there may be a lack of grants/scholarships to be had is academic achievement is not celebrated by organizations there. Standardized tests, unfortunately, influence a student&#039;s access to those scholarships. Without financial aid, it would seem impossible for many students to afford university.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There are no classes for the gifted students and no recognition organizations for those who achieve. There is also little in the way of standardized testing.&#8221;</p>
<p>This sounds like the reason they have free university education&#8230;there may be a lack of grants/scholarships to be had is academic achievement is not celebrated by organizations there. Standardized tests, unfortunately, influence a student&#8217;s access to those scholarships. Without financial aid, it would seem impossible for many students to afford university.</p>
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		<title>By: joe</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 05:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is why I homeschool.</description>
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		<title>By: Spanish teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spanish teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 15:41:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets take all the accountability out of the hands of students, blame it on race, money, culture and IQ, and then test them on how &quot;they learn&quot; and see the results... Does anyone else see the problem here?!?!?! Americans just don&#039;t want to be accountable!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets take all the accountability out of the hands of students, blame it on race, money, culture and IQ, and then test them on how &#8220;they learn&#8221; and see the results&#8230; Does anyone else see the problem here?!?!?! Americans just don&#8217;t want to be accountable!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Spanish teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spanish teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 15:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>None of you know what you are talking about...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>None of you know what you are talking about&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: sadsas</title>
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		<dc:creator>sadsas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 01:18:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>America is stupid even though i am an American i can still admit it is true</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>America is stupid even though i am an American i can still admit it is true</p>
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		<title>By: cmagalhy rivera</title>
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		<dc:creator>cmagalhy rivera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Oct 2008 00:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This information is so true and so wonderful.  I &#039;m a retired teacher in Puerto Rico and will take this information to my school.  It is important to start making changes that really do work!  Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This information is so true and so wonderful.  I &#8216;m a retired teacher in Puerto Rico and will take this information to my school.  It is important to start making changes that really do work!  Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Stop Homework &#187; More on Finland</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stop Homework &#187; More on Finland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Sep 2008 15:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] editor of OpenEducation.net sent me this link to Several Lessons to Be Learned From Finland. The article provides a more indepth look at why the Finnish school system is successful and [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] editor of OpenEducation.net sent me this link to Several Lessons to Be Learned From Finland. The article provides a more indepth look at why the Finnish school system is successful and [...]</p>
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