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	<title>Comments on: Charles Murray – For Most People, College Is a Waste of Time</title>
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		<title>By: Allison</title>
		<link>http://www.openeducation.net/2008/08/20/charles-murray-%e2%80%93-for-most-people-college-is-a-waste-of-time/comment-page-1/#comment-8429</link>
		<dc:creator>Allison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 04:56:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to write a 13-15 page paper on public policy reform to higher education in America, your writing and ideas have revamped my assignment, thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to write a 13-15 page paper on public policy reform to higher education in America, your writing and ideas have revamped my assignment, thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: College for Every Student - A Silly, Misguided Notion - OpenEducation.net</title>
		<link>http://www.openeducation.net/2008/08/20/charles-murray-%e2%80%93-for-most-people-college-is-a-waste-of-time/comment-page-1/#comment-5244</link>
		<dc:creator>College for Every Student - A Silly, Misguided Notion - OpenEducation.net</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Oct 2008 23:06:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of higher education, &#8220;Higher Education, Dangerously Close to Irrelevant,&#8221; and &#8220;Charles Murray - for Most People, College Is a Waste of Time,&#8221;  were a bit less than flattering, our thoughts were positively benign when held up against those of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of higher education, &#8220;Higher Education, Dangerously Close to Irrelevant,&#8221; and &#8220;Charles Murray &#8211; for Most People, College Is a Waste of Time,&#8221;  were a bit less than flattering, our thoughts were positively benign when held up against those of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Carter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Carter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 19:01:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi!I want to say that you have a great blog and that  I heard from a reliable source that on: http://www.big4.com/home.html   you can find a good job as a former employee at a Big4 firm. If anyone is  interested as my source was they should definitely check it out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi!I want to say that you have a great blog and that  I heard from a reliable source that on: <a href="http://www.big4.com/home.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.big4.com/home.html</a>   you can find a good job as a former employee at a Big4 firm. If anyone is  interested as my source was they should definitely check it out.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr. R.D.B. Laime</title>
		<link>http://www.openeducation.net/2008/08/20/charles-murray-%e2%80%93-for-most-people-college-is-a-waste-of-time/comment-page-1/#comment-3851</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr. R.D.B. Laime</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Sep 2008 15:59:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Murray and others offend the pandering politicians who without thinking things through say everyone should get a college education.   While some fields would difficult to give a certification &quot;diploma&quot;, let&#039;s say poety or something along those lines, &quot; what is needed today are job skills, some on a higher order than some(maybe), yet as Murray has pointed out we need first rate electricians and plumbers as well as folks who go through a college program like philosophy and then debate the undebatable.  Progressives/liberals buy this crap, yet  those who see a dismal future realize that college education maybe only an indication that the person has the ability to absorb a great deal of facts, yet does not have the ability to think(way beyond critical thinking) or resist the usual way of thinking(I&#039;m right and you&#039;re wrong).   Folks like Edward deBono ought to be listened to more than some other &quot;thinkers&quot; on the left.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Murray and others offend the pandering politicians who without thinking things through say everyone should get a college education.   While some fields would difficult to give a certification &#8220;diploma&#8221;, let&#8217;s say poety or something along those lines, &#8221; what is needed today are job skills, some on a higher order than some(maybe), yet as Murray has pointed out we need first rate electricians and plumbers as well as folks who go through a college program like philosophy and then debate the undebatable.  Progressives/liberals buy this crap, yet  those who see a dismal future realize that college education maybe only an indication that the person has the ability to absorb a great deal of facts, yet does not have the ability to think(way beyond critical thinking) or resist the usual way of thinking(I&#8217;m right and you&#8217;re wrong).   Folks like Edward deBono ought to be listened to more than some other &#8220;thinkers&#8221; on the left.</p>
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		<title>By: Fordham Fellows Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.openeducation.net/2008/08/20/charles-murray-%e2%80%93-for-most-people-college-is-a-waste-of-time/comment-page-1/#comment-1703</link>
		<dc:creator>Fordham Fellows Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 01:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to read further about what Murray has to say about school reform. In a nutshell, here it is&#8230;too many people are going to college, and for most it is a waste of time. I am still mulling over how I feel about this. But, here are a few of thoughts about college, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] to read further about what Murray has to say about school reform. In a nutshell, here it is&#8230;too many people are going to college, and for most it is a waste of time. I am still mulling over how I feel about this. But, here are a few of thoughts about college, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jacquy Pfeiffer</title>
		<link>http://www.openeducation.net/2008/08/20/charles-murray-%e2%80%93-for-most-people-college-is-a-waste-of-time/comment-page-1/#comment-1584</link>
		<dc:creator>jacquy Pfeiffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am Jacquy Pfeiffer , of The French Pastry school in Chicago.
I grew up in France and Mr Murray describes a system that has been running successfully for decades in Europe.
The 2 year apprenticeship, with a certificate at the end, is a system where a person is trained in the field that he or she will use for the rest of their career.
They can then move on and go for a master degree and then a master craftsmen degree while still working in their field. This makes experts in their fields and elevates the quality of the products manufactured or created by them. At our school, our 6 month hands-on program trains people to learn techniques following the European model. It will make the students become real craftsmen in their fields. There are no unnecessary classes that will inflate the tuition and slow down the student with heavy debts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am Jacquy Pfeiffer , of The French Pastry school in Chicago.<br />
I grew up in France and Mr Murray describes a system that has been running successfully for decades in Europe.<br />
The 2 year apprenticeship, with a certificate at the end, is a system where a person is trained in the field that he or she will use for the rest of their career.<br />
They can then move on and go for a master degree and then a master craftsmen degree while still working in their field. This makes experts in their fields and elevates the quality of the products manufactured or created by them. At our school, our 6 month hands-on program trains people to learn techniques following the European model. It will make the students become real craftsmen in their fields. There are no unnecessary classes that will inflate the tuition and slow down the student with heavy debts.</p>
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		<title>By: Terry Cowgill &#187; Murray&#8217;s Magic</title>
		<link>http://www.openeducation.net/2008/08/20/charles-murray-%e2%80%93-for-most-people-college-is-a-waste-of-time/comment-page-1/#comment-1580</link>
		<dc:creator>Terry Cowgill &#187; Murray&#8217;s Magic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 7:30 a.m. Thursday 08/21/08: An organization called OpenEducation.net has also tackled the Murray piece. It&#8217;s definitely worth a read if you&#8217;re interested in [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 7:30 a.m. Thursday 08/21/08: An organization called OpenEducation.net has also tackled the Murray piece. It&#8217;s definitely worth a read if you&#8217;re interested in [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Writer Dad</title>
		<link>http://www.openeducation.net/2008/08/20/charles-murray-%e2%80%93-for-most-people-college-is-a-waste-of-time/comment-page-1/#comment-1573</link>
		<dc:creator>Writer Dad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to say, I have really loved reading this blog over the last week.  Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to say, I have really loved reading this blog over the last week.  Thank you.</p>
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